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From: | James Hayek |
Subject: | Re: Sample Rate & Hardware Considerations Tutorial: GNURadio.org |
Date: | Fri, 1 May 2020 21:35:21 -0400 |
Thanks for looking into this Christophe,
I am taking note on your points, and have a few questions in regard to some statements.
· The sample rate should be higher than twice the *maximum frequency*
o You mention this is approximately 75 kHz for FM Stereo Multiplex
§ Do you mean to say *maximum frequency deviation* from the center frequency?
· FM (max frequency is in the MHz range)
· http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/Audio/radio.html shows “These FM stations have a 75 kHz maximum deviation from the center frequency, which leaves 25 kHz upper and lower "guard bands"”
· Barry is correct (I couldn’t even do math right!)
o 75 + 75 + 25 + 25 = 200kHz bandwidth
§ (not 250 like I assumed)
· Sampling rate shall be an integer multiple of the lowest frequency sampling rate
o Confirmed
o 48 kHz is standard for most speakers (computer), I can understand that
o Where I am coming upon confusion is why four was chosen for the audio_interp
§ The lesson https://wiki.gnuradio.org/index.php/Guided_Tutorial_Hardware_Considerations states there is a gotcha b/c the WBFM block performs a decimation by four
· How would I know this if this wasn’t told to me?
· Considering my “multiplier”, you are correct. I did a test where I hardcoded the multiplier as a 0.1 and the audio sounded terrible. Missing data left and right. I then set the variable “multiplier” back in with the default at 1, and adjusted the slider down to 0.1 and nothing changed
o I guess this must be hardcoded as you mention
· Thank you for the comments on the rest. I really appreciate the help in my journey. I will be mulling over the rest of your comments tonight with a follow up on anything I can not understand
Merci de bien vouloir! (Google Translate lol)
Hi James
I've seen some error in your flowgraph which explain that you were not ble to get a correct sound after demodulation.
How to choose sample rate:
- the sample rate should be higher then twice the maximum frequency which is approximately 75 KHz for an FM Stereo multiplex
- the sample rate should be compatible with your hardware. Beware that SDR source sampling rate range for RTL2832 devices have two ranges ...
- 225001 to 300000 and 900001 to 3200000.
- search for your device capability.
- I think that choosing a sampling rate which is an integer multiple of the low frequency sampling rate is a good practice.
- audio rate = 48 khz for your flowgraph
- intermediate rate = 192k = audio_rate * audio_interp
- sampling_rate = some-multiplier* (audio_rate * audio_interp) choose integer multiplier to set sampling rate accordingly to your device
Multiplier in your flowgraph ? in the rational resampler you have interpolation: int(multiplier*(audio_rate * audio_interp))
- I think this block do not account for parameter changed during simulation, so taht only the default value (1) is considered.
- Please can someone confirm this? *
- I generally use such a multiplier in my flowgraph but it's a variable, which remains fixed during simulation.
QT Waterfall sink:
- Adjust the Bandwidth to the signal sampling rate ie: audio_rate * audio_interp
FM demodulation:
- you sampling rate is quite high, so your signal contain mutiple FM station(this is not a problem however...)
- Isolating one station requires low-pass filtering at 75 Khz before demodulation
- Most station transmit stereo multiplex, which should be FM demodulated, than low-pass filtered at 16 kHz to recover left+right channel (filter after FM demodulation).
- FM modulation use preemphasis. FM demodulation require FM deemphasis (with tau=50Us for Eu and 75 µs for US) (Deemphasis is applied to audio)
Center Frequency:
- For FM demodulation, signal is in the range 88e6 to 108e6 , each channel are separated by 0.2e6 (French standard): set your frequency slider accordingly (start 88e6 stop 108e6step 0.1e6)
Please find attached:
- your flowgraph modified
- a flowgraph I used for my students (sorry comments are in french)
Regards, Christophe
On 01/05/2020 02:41, James Hayek wrote:
Morning All,I have a question after following the sample rate tutorial and its implementation on the Guided Tutorial Hardware Considerations section on the official site: https://wiki.gnuradio.org/index.php/Guided_Tutorial_Hardware_Considerations
After the first portion of the lesson, one is asked to add new blocks shown below.
- 1x Rational Resampler
- 1x WBFM Receiver
- 1x Audio Sink
- 2x Variable
For the Variable: samp_rate we are told to add the following:
- ID: samp_rate
- Value: 250e3
Now, I know the bandwidth of FM is 250 kHz. What I don't know is why we were asked to make this our sample rate. Coincidence?When I run the example (with a few changes for my hardware, and creating a few more variables) I get a signal stream that seems out of sync.The sound I hear is a constant drop or miss in signal about three times a second. Think waa-waa-waa, each second, in between the radio playing.
I launched SDRSharp to compare output and noticed the sample rate is default at 2.4MI then changed this in my Variable samp_rate and low and behold, the stream is steady.
I have two questions.
- Why was a sample rate of 250K chosen in the example?
- What is the goal of the multiplier?
- In your (Barry Duggan's) example the multiplier helped to remove his static
- In my file, setting this as a variable slider, and adjusting while playing, I see no difference to the sound
Below is my flowgraph, I also attached the .grc file.
Any help is greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance!--
Thanks,
James G HayekYoutube.com/JamesHayek
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