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bug#68861: 30.0.50; ERC 5.x: Introduce a modern message-insertion API


From: J.P.
Subject: bug#68861: 30.0.50; ERC 5.x: Introduce a modern message-insertion API
Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2024 19:07:58 -0800
User-agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13)

Severity: wishlist

Some recent ramblings on this topic (by me) were crudely tacked on to
the end of the now closed bug#67677. In summary, the solution originally
delivered by that bug of having all chat messages formatted by literal
`format-spec' templates was left wanting in terms of an easily exposable
and extendable public API. What it currently provides is merely a
declarative means of defining the layout of a message in an easily
verifiable manner, which is helpful for gaining an intuition into how a
message will look upon insertion. But it leaves unaddressed a
requirement commonly expressed by third parties, namely, a convenient
and straightforward way of influencing specific portions of a message
prior to formatting and without regard for overall layout.

The first attempt at providing such granular access was the awkwardly
termed "msgfspec" proposal offered in bug#67677 [1]. While supposedly
focused on convenience, it suffered from a fatal flaw in that modifying
a base template still involved scanning to splice in additions, even if
mostly hidden from the user. Instead, I think it'd be preferable to take
a more traditional tack and preserve the various constituent parts of a
template as separate nodes in a tree-like structure for deferred
assembly just prior to formatting, perhaps in conjunction with some
caching mechanism. The literal, propertized base template would still
feature prominently as part of a template class's definition, but its
role would be reduced to serving as input for a validation scheme.

In terms of proposals, I think a successful candidate for adoption
should provide at least two working demos, preferably among the
following:

  - Bidirectional input and display
  - Headline style messages w. speaker on a separate line
  - Text substitution (language translation, encryption, etc.)
  - Display names (e.g., for bridges, perhaps reversible)

My guess is this feature won't be ready for ERC 5.6, especially without
explicit interest from others. As such, proposals (from me) may be based
atop work that includes changes not currently on HEAD, such as those
from #49860.

Thanks.

[1] The current "msgfpec" demo linked to in #68265 will be moved to a
    location reflecting this bug number.


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