bug#44007: 26.3; Strange shell mode performance

[Herman]

Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes:

> > The bug is that if echo is enabled, emacs 'shell' gives a much
> > worse performance.
>
> I'm trying to understand why would we consider that a bug. 
> There will
> always be ways to make Lisp programs run slower or faster by 
> tweaking
> some variables, and the defaults are not always capable of 
> providing
> the best performance in every possible situation.

I think it is a bug because Emacs doesn't try to read again if one 
read() was successful.  My hacky solution fixes that.  With the 
extra cost of one read syscall.  But we can do better: we can 
avoid it if the first read call already read 'nbyte' bytes, then 
there is no need to call another read().

Also, it a bug, because it's not logical (what does tty echo have 
anything to do with the performance of reading process output?), 
and the effect it causes is huge. We aren't talking about 
something like 10% difference, but 1500%: 3 sec vs. 0.2 sec.

> You (or anyone else) should of course feel free to investigate 
> and try
> to find out what are the specific reasons which make Emacs 
> slower in
> some cases and faster in others.  But that doesn't necessarily
> constitutes a bug, IMO.
I already did, see my comment about read() returning with 4095, 
instead of 4096. Not a deep investigation, because I stopped 
investigating it when I realized that read() is not called in a 
loop, which is clearly a bug to me (as far as I understand how 
read should be used according to POSIX. I'm not a unix hacker, I 
may be wrong).

Tbh, I don't really understand the idea behind 
process-adaptive-read-buffering.  Why is this setting there?  If a 
process generates lot of output, it doesn't do anything useful. 
If a process is slow, then this approach may save some system 
calls (and other processing in emacs), but as the process slowly 
generates output, it should already be quick to process.  When 
does it do something useful in a real world usage?  Some packages 
had to turn this setting off because they noticed that it makes 
performance worse.  If its usefulness is OS dependent, maybe it'd 
make sense to enable it only on platforms where it make sense?

> > I'd like to also mention that my hacky solution not just fixes 
> > the
> > problem, but also improves shell's performance, even with the
> > mentioned variables set.  As far as I know POSIX programming,
> > read() should always be called in a loop, if one wants to read 
> > N
> > bytes (even in the successful case).  Emacs doesn't have this 
> > in
> > emacs_intr_read, that causes the problem.
>
> We've arrived at the current code after a lot of iterations, and 
> it
> has to handle many different uses.  It doesn't surprise me a bit 
> that
> you can find a change which speeds up Emacs in some particular 
> case,
> but what about all the other cases?
If the intention of emacs_intr_read is to read nbytes bytes (if 
that many is available), then the current code doesn't do that 
correctly. This is not about handling different uses cases, but 
simply using read() correctly. In the worst case, and OS is 
allowed to give data byte by byte, where each read() call returns 
just one byte.  In this case, Emacs will read the output one byte 
per render frame (or something like that, or I don't know how 
emacs works in this regard).  I think something similar happens 
here: 4095 bytes is returned, because supposedly originally it was 
4096, but something in the kernel/libc/whatever shaved off 1 byte 
for some reason (that's just my theory). But returning with 4095 
doesn't mean that's all that available. Emacs could read further, 
but it doesn't.

> How about if you run with this change for a few weeks or so, and 
> see
> if it doesn't cause problems elsewhere?  maybe also others will 
> try
> using it in their use patterns and report back.  Then we will at 
> least
> have some data regarding the effects of the change you propose.
I've been using this modification since I created this bug (many 
years).  I didn't notice any problems with it.

> Of course, if someone comes with a less hacky proposal, it would 
> be
> even better.
I just call it hacky, because I just threw it together in several 
minutes or so.  But in my opinion that idea is OK (read as long as 
possible).  It's just the implementation that could be improved 
(don't call read() again if nbytes already arrived, and there are 
maybe other things).

> Also, please be sure to try Emacs 30, as I believe some changes 
> were
> done there recently.
I've tried a 1-week-old master, the exact same thing happens.