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bug#66706: [PATCH] Automatic elisp dialect insertion
From: |
Po Lu |
Subject: |
bug#66706: [PATCH] Automatic elisp dialect insertion |
Date: |
Wed, 25 Oct 2023 09:20:35 +0800 |
User-agent: |
Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) |
Po Lu <luangruo@yahoo.com> writes:
> I want this off by default. We teach users to enable lexical binding in
> the Lisp introduction and a myriad of other places; inserting lexical
I was mistaken here. Lexical binding is briefly mentioned as
non-default behavior.
So why are we attempting to remedy this pitfall of the novice in Emacs
Lisp mode by inserting a feature hitherto _undocumented_ in our manual
for the uninitiated? Everything suggest to me that documenting lexical
binding in the manual is the proper course of action.
> binding cookies is not "the icing on the cake", but a gesture that
> implies we should override the judgement of our users, and are willing
> to browbeat them into abiding by such notions of ours.
>
> Similar measures taken by other software bespeaks the existence of a
> sense of superiority in their developers; doubtless, they think it
> beyond their users to read several pages of documentation pertaining to
> lexical binding, and to make from that an informed decision.
>
> Users who know what lexical-binding controls will enable it without any
> wheedling, should they so desire. Users who don't or won't will delete
> the cookie, then repine about its presence; quite justly at that, for
> software which holds its users in such low regard is nothing except
> impertinent.
>
> We never insert text to enforce our conceptions of good practice in any
> major mode. Such is the first step down a very precipitous slope, which
> culminates in the adoption of the haughty attitude that other software
> has seized upon with particular zeal.
I recognize this argument is grounded wholly on principle, but principle
itself is as important a consideration as any other.
- bug#66706: [PATCH] Automatic elisp dialect insertion, (continued)
- bug#66706: [PATCH] Automatic elisp dialect insertion, Mattias EngdegÄrd, 2023/10/23
- bug#66706: [PATCH] Automatic elisp dialect insertion, Mattias EngdegÄrd, 2023/10/24
- bug#66706: [PATCH] Automatic elisp dialect insertion, Eli Zaretskii, 2023/10/24
- bug#66706: [PATCH] Automatic elisp dialect insertion, Stefan Monnier, 2023/10/24
- bug#66706: [PATCH] Automatic elisp dialect insertion, Stefan Kangas, 2023/10/24
- bug#66706: [PATCH] Automatic elisp dialect insertion, Eli Zaretskii, 2023/10/24
- bug#66706: [PATCH] Automatic elisp dialect insertion, Stefan Monnier, 2023/10/25
- bug#66706: [PATCH] Automatic elisp dialect insertion, Stefan Kangas, 2023/10/25
- bug#66706: [PATCH] Automatic elisp dialect insertion, Dmitry Gutov, 2023/10/25
- bug#66706: [PATCH] Automatic elisp dialect insertion, Po Lu, 2023/10/24
- bug#66706: [PATCH] Automatic elisp dialect insertion,
Po Lu <=
- bug#66706: [PATCH] Automatic elisp dialect insertion, Stefan Monnier, 2023/10/24
- bug#66706: [PATCH] Automatic elisp dialect insertion, Po Lu, 2023/10/24
- bug#66706: [PATCH] Automatic elisp dialect insertion, Stefan Monnier, 2023/10/25
- bug#66706: [PATCH] Automatic elisp dialect insertion, Dmitry Gutov, 2023/10/25
- bug#66706: [PATCH] Automatic elisp dialect insertion, Po Lu, 2023/10/25
- bug#66706: [PATCH] Automatic elisp dialect insertion, Stefan Monnier, 2023/10/25
- bug#66706: [PATCH] Automatic elisp dialect insertion, Eli Zaretskii, 2023/10/25
- bug#66706: [PATCH] Automatic elisp dialect insertion, Po Lu, 2023/10/25
- bug#66706: [PATCH] Automatic elisp dialect insertion, Eli Zaretskii, 2023/10/25
- bug#66706: [PATCH] Automatic elisp dialect insertion, Dmitry Gutov, 2023/10/25