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bug#64759: Broken faces
From: |
Eli Zaretskii |
Subject: |
bug#64759: Broken faces |
Date: |
Fri, 28 Jul 2023 21:49:49 +0300 |
> From: Juri Linkov <juri@linkov.net>
> Cc: maurooaranda@gmail.com, 64759@debbugs.gnu.org
> Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2023 20:30:44 +0300
>
> >> >> The semantics of nil could be the same as '((t nil)).
> >> >
> >> > And what is the semantics of '((t nil)) ? What attributes will the
> >> > face have when realized?
> >>
> >> No attributes. This is the standard value used by empty faces.
> >
> > What does this mean? For example, what would be the foreground color?
> > what would be the font? etc.
>
> No foreground color, and no font.
There can be no such face.
> > I'm not familiar with "empty face" notion. A face always has
> > attributes when it is fully realized, otherwise Emacs will be unable
> > to use it.
>
> "Empty face" is the standard notion. Here's an example how it's used:
>
> 1. M-x make-empty-face RET foo RET
> 2. M-x customize-face RET foo RET
>
> Then output is:
>
> Hide Foo face: [sample]
> State : NO CUSTOMIZATION DATA; not intended to be customized.
> nil
> -- Empty face --
We are mis-communicating. My point is that we need to explain in the
documentation the effect of such a defface when the face is realized
and displayed. Lisp programmers need to understand that to be able to
use this correctly and predictably.
> > Only if "no better face to inherit from is available" in all of those
> > cases. Which I'm not sure is true. If you are sure, please tell why
> > the faces I put there are not better ideas.
>
> Because they will cause the same problem as with display-time-date-and-time,
> except that other faces are used less often, so it will take time until users
> will notice these problems.
display-time-date-and-time is used on the mode line, where the colors
are different. The other faces are for buffer text, so the problems
with display-time-date-and-time don't necessarily apply.
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