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bug#22564: Fundamental mode isn't fundamental enough.
From: |
Eli Zaretskii |
Subject: |
bug#22564: Fundamental mode isn't fundamental enough. |
Date: |
Tue, 03 May 2022 20:00:07 +0300 |
> From: Richard Stallman <rms@gnu.org>
> Cc: monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, acm@muc.de, larsi@gnus.org,
> johnw@gnu.org, 22564@debbugs.gnu.org, rgm@gnu.org
> Date: Mon, 02 May 2022 19:47:41 -0400
>
> > The difficulty is that the hook and the characters vary significantly
> > from major mode to major mode. The latter one, for example, can in
> > some modes include characters that are very unintuitive, like ':'.
>
> That is true -- I did not speak clearly. Of course, when a major mode
> customizes this, it's the major mode's responsibility to document
> how it sets up such indentation.
>
> But what does Electric Indent mode it do in modes that DON'T customize it?
That is only important to document if enough important major modes
don't customize it.
However, I suggested to say something along these lines, and you
didn't respond to that part. My suggestion was to say this:
The electric characters normally include the newline, but can also
include other characters as needed by the major mode; see
`electric-indent-chars' for the actual list.
> For instance, what does it do in Fundamental mode? It doesn't say.
> I as a user don't know anywhere to look for this.
>
> > Why is that important? Fundamental mode is not supposed to be used
> > frequently by Emacs users, so why single out that mode, and why
> > specifically for this minor mode?
>
> Because Fundamental mode is the default for a file with no special
> name or contents to specify another major mode.
> And because that minor mode is enabled by default.
Sorry, I disagree that Fundamental mode is important. Its being the
default doesn't mean users frequently see it, not at all.
> > > The doc string also fails to say what, concretely, reindenting does, or
> even
> > > what controls what reindenting does. So it needs a lot of improvement.
>
> How about adding, "Typically the major mode controls what reindenting does."?
I'm sorry, I don't think I understand how saying that would help.
Unless a person knows "what reindenting does" (or even what is
"reindenting"), this leaves the issue as obscure as it was before.
- bug#22564: Fundamental mode isn't fundamental enough., Eli Zaretskii, 2022/05/01
- bug#22564: Fundamental mode isn't fundamental enough., Richard Stallman, 2022/05/02
- bug#22564: Fundamental mode isn't fundamental enough., Andreas Röhler, 2022/05/03
- bug#22564: Fundamental mode isn't fundamental enough.,
Eli Zaretskii <=
- bug#22564: Fundamental mode isn't fundamental enough., Richard Stallman, 2022/05/04
- bug#22564: Fundamental mode isn't fundamental enough., Eli Zaretskii, 2022/05/05
- bug#22564: Fundamental mode isn't fundamental enough., Andreas Röhler, 2022/05/05
- bug#22564: Fundamental mode isn't fundamental enough., Eli Zaretskii, 2022/05/05
- bug#22564: Fundamental mode isn't fundamental enough., Andreas Röhler, 2022/05/05
- bug#22564: Fundamental mode isn't fundamental enough., Richard Stallman, 2022/05/06
- bug#22564: Fundamental mode isn't fundamental enough., Eli Zaretskii, 2022/05/07
- bug#22564: Fundamental mode isn't fundamental enough., Richard Stallman, 2022/05/07