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bug#50959: 28.0.50; Shorthand symbols are unknown to Emacs
From: |
Eli Zaretskii |
Subject: |
bug#50959: 28.0.50; Shorthand symbols are unknown to Emacs |
Date: |
Sat, 02 Oct 2021 17:56:13 +0300 |
> From: João Távora <joaotavora@gmail.com>
> Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2021 15:43:03 +0100
> Cc: Phil Sainty <psainty@orcon.net.nz>, 50959@debbugs.gnu.org
>
> > You are saying that 3 is easier than 2? Then I think we should do 3,
> > as it's better from the user's POV, right?
>
> No, I don't know that for sure. And I don't think it's better from
> the user's POV.
> See my reply to Phil. It would mistakenly provide the idea that Shorthands
> are some alias to the symbol (in the sense of defvaralias). They are not.
>
> The user would then be quite surprised to find the list of completions change
> behind his back as he changes the place of origin of those C-h o calls.
I'm not sure the user will be so much surprised. We could document
that. And shorthands aren't supposed to be used massively or
willy-nilly, so these surprises are not necessarily as acute as you
think. they are certainly not worse than not showing these shorthands
at all.
> It could only make sense if these interactive prompts were clearly tied to
> the buffers they originated from.
But they are: we always know which buffer was the current one when the
minibuffer is entered.
> In summary, I think that with the exception of a shorthand-aware
> 'xref-backend-references',
> something that I am working on (between the drops of the torrential emails,
> some of them bordering on sheer harassment), this feature is currently
> consistent
> from a tools point of view.
You are saying that Help commands should allow asking about
shorthands, except if point is on the shorthand? That'd be a grave
restriction, I think, worse than "depending on the buffer" which you
don't like: here it depends not only on the buffer, but also on
position of point in that buffer.
> Again, Shorthands are buffer-local textual indirections to symbols. They
> are not the symbol. This will never change (not with Shorthands): so
> including
> shorthands in a list of symbols is misguided. Displaying them in
> lists of fragments of
> text to be completed in the buffer is not.
I think this is unnecessarily radical POV, and one that will cause
complaints.
- bug#50959: 28.0.50; Shorthand symbols are unknown to Emacs, Phil Sainty, 2021/10/02
- bug#50959: 28.0.50; Shorthand symbols are unknown to Emacs, Eli Zaretskii, 2021/10/02
- bug#50959: 28.0.50; Shorthand symbols are unknown to Emacs, João Távora, 2021/10/02
- bug#50959: 28.0.50; Shorthand symbols are unknown to Emacs, Eli Zaretskii, 2021/10/02
- bug#50959: 28.0.50; Shorthand symbols are unknown to Emacs, João Távora, 2021/10/02
- bug#50959: 28.0.50; Shorthand symbols are unknown to Emacs, João Távora, 2021/10/02
- bug#50959: 28.0.50; Shorthand symbols are unknown to Emacs, Eli Zaretskii, 2021/10/02
- bug#50959: 28.0.50; Shorthand symbols are unknown to Emacs, João Távora, 2021/10/02
- bug#50959: 28.0.50; Shorthand symbols are unknown to Emacs, Eli Zaretskii, 2021/10/02
- bug#50959: 28.0.50; Shorthand symbols are unknown to Emacs, João Távora, 2021/10/02
- bug#50959: 28.0.50; Shorthand symbols are unknown to Emacs,
Eli Zaretskii <=
- bug#50959: 28.0.50; Shorthand symbols are unknown to Emacs, João Távora, 2021/10/02
- bug#50959: 28.0.50; Shorthand symbols are unknown to Emacs, Eli Zaretskii, 2021/10/02
- bug#50959: 28.0.50; Shorthand symbols are unknown to Emacs, João Távora, 2021/10/02
- bug#50959: 28.0.50; Shorthand symbols are unknown to Emacs, Eli Zaretskii, 2021/10/02
- bug#50959: 28.0.50; Shorthand symbols are unknown to Emacs, João Távora, 2021/10/02
- bug#50959: 28.0.50; Shorthand symbols are unknown to Emacs, Eli Zaretskii, 2021/10/02
- bug#50959: 28.0.50; Shorthand symbols are unknown to Emacs, Richard Stallman, 2021/10/03
- bug#50959: 28.0.50; Shorthand symbols are unknown to Emacs, Richard Stallman, 2021/10/03
- bug#50959: 28.0.50; Shorthand symbols are unknown to Emacs, Richard Stallman, 2021/10/03
- bug#50959: 28.0.50; Shorthand symbols are unknown to Emacs, Eli Zaretskii, 2021/10/04