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bug#13690: 24.3.50; scroll-conservatively and Info-up
From: |
Dmitry Gutov |
Subject: |
bug#13690: 24.3.50; scroll-conservatively and Info-up |
Date: |
Wed, 13 Feb 2013 23:02:13 +0400 |
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Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.3.50 (windows-nt) |
Hi Eli,
Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes:
>> > This is by popular demand; you can find my
>> > questions about this and answers by others a year or two ago in the
>> > archives. E.g., scroll-conservatively affects commands such as
>> > goto-char, even if you move far away in the buffer.
>>
>> Do you mean the thread starting here:
>> http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2010-06/msg01011.html and
>> continued in bug#6631?
>
> That one, but also others. For a recent example, see
> http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/bugreport.cgi?bug=13055 (although that is
> about scroll-margin, not scroll-conservatively).
>
>> >> But again, as a user, I'd expect this only if what I'm doing
>> >> recognizably involves scrolling, which Info-up does not, from the user's
>> >> point of view.
>> >
>> > Alas, other users' expectations are different.
>>
>> I didn't see anything to that effect in the thread cited above; did I
>> miss it or were such expectations expressed elsewhere? Again, I'd be
>> quite surprised if anyone really expects and prefers the current effect
>> of scroll-conservatively on Info-up.
>
> My witnesses are twofold:
>
> . No one spoke about this except Juanma, and no one said that
> scroll-conservatively _must_ be confined to scroll commands.
If I'm reading this right, the thread from 2010-06 has 8 messages and 5
participants. There is no way it can be representative of Emacs users in
general.
> . Since those changes were made, 2.5 years ago, I heard _zero_
> complaints about this behavior; you are the first one. By
I don't think that's true anymore. You should at least remember the bug
I posted relatively recently:
http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/bugreport.cgi?bug=13133
> contrast, before that, when Emacs would sometimes recenter even
> when scroll-conservatively was set to a huge number, there were
> quite a few complaints and bug reports about that.
Like I explained in the bug above, the current behavior creates problems
in edge cases. So a users can choose the values that "work almost right,
but not exactly". Naturally, many people might be okay with that.
--Dmitry
- bug#13690: 24.3.50; scroll-conservatively and Info-up, Stephen Berman, 2013/02/11
- bug#13690: 24.3.50; scroll-conservatively and Info-up, Eli Zaretskii, 2013/02/12
- bug#13690: 24.3.50; scroll-conservatively and Info-up, Stephen Berman, 2013/02/12
- bug#13690: 24.3.50; scroll-conservatively and Info-up, Eli Zaretskii, 2013/02/12
- bug#13690: 24.3.50; scroll-conservatively and Info-up, Stephen Berman, 2013/02/13
- bug#13690: 24.3.50; scroll-conservatively and Info-up, Eli Zaretskii, 2013/02/13
- bug#13690: 24.3.50; scroll-conservatively and Info-up,
Dmitry Gutov <=
- bug#13690: 24.3.50; scroll-conservatively and Info-up, Eli Zaretskii, 2013/02/13
- bug#13690: 24.3.50; scroll-conservatively and Info-up, Dmitry Gutov, 2013/02/13
- bug#13690: 24.3.50; scroll-conservatively and Info-up, Eli Zaretskii, 2013/02/14
- bug#13690: 24.3.50; scroll-conservatively and Info-up, Stephen Berman, 2013/02/13
- bug#13690: 24.3.50; scroll-conservatively and Info-up, Eli Zaretskii, 2013/02/14
- bug#13690: 24.3.50; scroll-conservatively and Info-up, Stephen Berman, 2013/02/14